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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:15 am 
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timoM wrote:
murrmac wrote:
Alex Kleon wrote:
As I tell customers, the only good thing about melamine is the price.

and also the fact that it is wipe clean straight out of the box ... doesn't need twenty coats of lacquer to make it hygienic ...


Well sorry but the prefinished plywood Alex is talking about requires no finishing. Not to mention it is pretty, structural, available in low and zero VOC, sustainable, lighter and oh did I mention superior in every way? There is and never will be any chipboard in my shop, or my home, or installed by me in any clients home. I use MDF for work surfaces, thats it, MDF's hard "cardboard" character makes a nearly perfect utility table, to be beat up in a shop.

Casework requires structure, all though I find the repurposing innovation of chipboard intriguing, it is simply a grossly inferior product. The melamine is bad enough, what really stinks is the poor souls who buy quite expensive veneered furniture only to discover the door just fell off because the crapwood crumbled away at the cup hinge. Or the dowels or confirmats were forced in the factory and the entire box is weak. Or the pozi screws were turned a tenth of a turn too far and the drawer slides are falling out. Or god forbid you have a slow leak at kitchen or bathroom sink and your whole cabinet swells up and disintegrates. I could go on and on about how ill and misinformed your remark is Murrmac.

Respectfully submitted.

Tim



Who 's advocating chipboard ? Not me , that's for sure, you must be thinking about somebody else... I am referring to melamine covered MDF which is what all top of the range European kitchens are built out of, and which makes an excellent and durable kitchen.... when fitted by competent time-served craftsmen.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:53 am 
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MDF falls apart when it gets wet too...they do make a waterproof version of the stuff that is greenish, but I've only seen that stuff in window stool material, and at that only a couple of times...

I could go on and on with the negatives of MDF...and I'll further argue the concept that it makes a good substrate for veneer because it's smooth is also bull hockey...

not that I'm trying to pick a fight on the subject, but I have been working with the stuff for over 20 years now...my choice? not really...I work with what materials are supplied to me on jobsites, and beyond a bit of 'arguing' about it I do with what's provided...


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:28 am 
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I did a glue up with the Titebond No-Drip moulding glue last night.
Two 2' spruce slats glued together along half the length. This morning I wish boned the free ends, and had 100% wood failure.
I'm sure that this glue would have been good enough for the job.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:03 pm 
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"Engineered materials" have their place (which after about 5 years is usually in the dumpster :lol: ) There is some pretty crappy plywood out there also. Remember when furniture and electronics were not "throwaway" items?


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